Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.What it looks like, does matter. There are some Yazel pistols that fit the forums idea of what is traditional so, if they look like the pistols that were used in 1866 or earlier, they are allowed. There are many Yazel pistols that look like a cross between a traditional sidelock or underhammer gun and a modern Colt 1911 or a High Standard ...Reaction score. 4,699. Location. Southern Illinois. Sep 23, 2018. #3. More than good for bar, injun, or deers. My Lyman's plains rifle of 28 balls to the pound (.54 cal) works well with a 70 gr. charge of 2Fg Graf's powder. I too don't care for any more than that regarding recoil.Here, in Henry's case he has a Pedersoli Frontier rifle. This is an advantage in that the Pedersoli is a factory made rifle and Pedersoli has a recommendation of a 0.440" ball and 0.015" thick patches. Patch lubricant can be a variety of mixes or store bought concoctions. 60 to 79 grains, black powder volume measure should be good for that ...Location. The Meat Counter. Jun 25, 2023. #5. I tried to sharpen a flint once. On the second or third tap with a small hammer a small flake made a bee line for the corner of right eye and hit my skin. Put down the hammer, jumped on the TOTW website and bought flints. Happily paying the delivery fee and taxes.Here's a target I shot with a "Zouave" with a basic load set up for use with teaching muzzleloading in a Scout camp. Load is a good "mid range" one. Data- RCBS Hogdon, 45g 3f Scheutzen, Scheutzen caps, beeswax/lard lube. Note- this is NOT a group shot from a bench with a load tuned for maximum accuracy, this was 10 shots, rapid fire, offhand ...1. Jun 28, 2010. #7. There's a video on youtube of the guy from the hunting show "Kentucky Afield" that gets a deer with a bounty hunter pistol like the pedersoli one and he got a doe at 25 yards with one and 55 grains of powder. It's a really interesting video. D.Gang molds were apparently common. In 1768, Baynton, Warton and Morgan received these: "4 Brass Bullet Moulds in Chest No, 3 to run 30 bullets at once in each (moulds at 55 shillings a piece)" In the Shane interviews a couple of interesting entries, late 18th century. James Wade: “He ran all his bullets in a pair of moulds that had a knife in ...Mar 4, 2019. #13. Golden Age Arms began business in a small bookstore on High Street in Worthington, OH. They were 1 building north of the old Worthington Inn, and the lawn area between the buildings was frequently set up to throw tomahawks. This was while I was still in High School in the late 1960's.1,161. Nov 20, 2023. #1. Today I received a call from Shiloh Sharps that my percussion 1863 Shiloh Sharps was ready for shipping. However, they said that it had to be shipped to an FFL. When I asked whose rules this was, eventually the lady said it was UPS's rules. I said you could ship through USPS and she said, "If that was an option we would ...Powder charge. Nitro (hard) card. Shotload. Thin overshot card. Full fiber cushion wad*. *The cushion wad needs to be SATURATED (the wetter and heavier, the better) with oil. I like to use olive oil. The load seems to shine best when used in cylinder bored guns. Best of luck to all, Skychief.Reaction score. 1. Aug 6, 2008. #1. I started out muzzleloading with an inline (sorry) last year. did not take me long to decide I wanted an sidelock. got a deal on an tc new englander. so I took my birthday money and bought it. first range session with it was very short. 3 or 4 shots. then rain started.MUZZLELOADINGFORUM.COM - Site Location: Country/Flag: United States: City/Region/Zip Code: Torrance, CA, 90503: Organization: DWD Technologies LLC: Internet Service ...A 1:48 twist in larger calibers (.45 and up) is generally very finicky in what it will shoot accurately with. Ask any serious Buffalo match or bench rest shooter what the twist is in their rifles. Invariably they will be 1:66; 1:72 or even 1:144.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.127. Reaction score. 252. Dec 23, 2021. #6. necchi said: With the kit stock as received, lightly wet it, that will enhance the grain appearance. If your stock presents areas of open grain (you'll see it) you could use a light slurry of a bone black agent and sand it back a bit after it dries.The subject got on Uberti vs Pietta. He said that Uberti upgraded the factory to modern C&C machining and other "upgrades" to offset labor costs. Once that was complete they retired or laid off most of the skilled labor. While Uberti was making the upgrades, Pietta watched as they were considering similar factory upgrades.Reaction score. 2. Jul 11, 2005. #6. Russ Hamm (in Indiana) made flint and percussion locks (no longer in production) patterned after Ashmore and marked "Ashmore Warranted" in two lines. I had a right hand flint lock and it was excellent quality. I believe Mr. Hamm stamped the insides of the lockplates with his name, but do not recall for certain.May 15, 2003 · 1. Jan 19, 2009. #2. While the patent breech is an old design, the hook-breech is not. Today the hook-breech is used mainly on halfstock rifles and shotguns so the barrels can be quickly removed. When you have a fullstock rifle there will be very few times when you want to remove the barrel. 15. Mar 1, 2014. #2. You're right about Illinois law making little sense. Some of the goofy stuff; During the muzzleloading rifle only season pistols are NOT allowed. But you CAN use your muzzleloading pistol during the late-winter antlerless-only season so long as it meets muzzle energy requirements. Percussion Rifles | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account ... This post is trying to show anyone interested in one method to drill and tap for a TH. If you don't have a drill press and try to tap free hand it could get real ugly. The TH needs to be counter sunk flush with the filed on/in barrel flat. Don't think a newbie can make that happen free hand. JMO.Reaction score. 3,733. Jan 7, 2024. #2. We need pictures!! have a gunsmith check the breeching and wormholes in the stock. It may look ok to shoot, but it may have hidden flaws you just can't see. If the breeching is ok, and the barrel is not excessively pitted, it should be ok to shoot.Kibler Fowler Update | Page 2 | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the ...loss of accuracy in savage ml2 was great now lousy . ichippedit. Jun 11, 2022. 6. 1K. Sep 1, 2022. by nsb. 1 1 of 89 89. Discussion, questions, and comments on …Deer Creek Products | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account ...One is a rusty JC Higgens .22 missing its clip, a .177 pellet rifle with a plugged barrel and a rusty CVA 12 guage percussion double barrel shotgun. We have a few kids in the neighborhood so I thought, "It really wouldn't be good for a kid to find these and make off with them. Somebody might get hurt."You had every intention of cleaning up, but ran out of time. Having people over is always more work than you think it’s going to be. Even if you go in with the intention of keeping...ETF strategy - XTRACKERS MSCI ALL CHINA EQUITY ETF - Current price data, news, charts and performance Indices Commodities Currencies Stocks7. Location. Vista, CA. Aug 26, 2023. #1. In my trying the patch over powder I did find more accuracy and consistency of point of impact. That being said, I was wondering about different techniques. I was placing the patch into the barrel only the depth of the short starter and then ramming my patched ball home.Well I think I got an easy quick fix that takes 0 skill and ends in a perfect fit. Here it is. #2.Drill 5/32 hole completely through center of arbor housing. #3.Put release agent on arbor ,and everywhere on outside of barrel that could possibly get over flow compound on it.Clothing, Cookware, Crafts For Sale/Wanted/Trade. Reenactment clothing, fabric, patterns, cookware and craft finished products and supplies. No commercial sales. You must have 15 posts AND be a member …Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.69 Cal. I’m working on a TOW Brown Bess Kit, which according to Jess Melot the owner of the rifle shoppe, the 1746 Wilets kit was a kit he designed 30 years ago for CD Jarnigan Co. That was copied over by Track of the Wolf. On a difficultly level, I can’t really say much because its my first kit build.Jun 17, 2019 · Reaction score. 7,675. Nov 21, 2023. #1. Any other subscribers to Muzzleloader magazine that haven't gotten the Nov/Dec issue yet? I know various things may delay production of a specialty magazine, but just wondered as it's getting to the end of Nov. soon. My local newsstand still has the Sep/Oct issue on display, also. Nov 17, 2023. #1. Trapper Pistol Kit Build Log #1. Like another hole in my head I need yet another black powder pistol, but I got one anyway, as a kind of a Thanksgiving "make-work" project: a Traditions .50 caliber Trapper flintlock pistol: The parts all look really good. I'm particularly impressed that all the brass is very nearly finished ... Join the online community of muzzleloader enthusiasts and share your experiences, tips, questions and photos. Browse the latest posts on topics such as wet weather tips, bullet stability, flintlocks, percussion caps, and more. Virginia. Jan 13, 2023. #12. Pukka Bundook said: For a tinder lock a short piece for each shot is quite acceptable John. Until you get into the woods for mushrooms that is! A heavy length of match can be kept lit, to light your short pieces as required. pieces 2" or under would make substitute tinder for now.Muzzleloading Forum discussion community & muzzleloading/reenactors for sale classifieds. Muzzle loading forums for reenactors, mountain men, French &...Thanks, Spence. :hatsoff: That is exactly the table that I was looking for. My revolver seems to have no date marks on it anywhere. It has the two proof marks and the letters PN but nothing else other than the serial number. :idunno: I know it of recent manufacture since Pietta began making this particular model only in recent years. :hmm: Thanks for the help.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.May 25, 2023. #1. I went to the library. Finally my copy of William brickbats book arrived. After reading through it I am a little discouraged. I was hoping I would be able to make a nice double barrel shotgun with some modern barrel blanks, but this seems to be a daunting task, to say the least. The book suggests finding old Damascus barrels ...1. You must mention the calibre of the muzzleloading revolver. 2. You must mention the calibre of the muzzleloading revolver - mentioning that it is a nitro conversion - you will NOT be allowed to convert it back to BP. 3. Calibre of muzzleloading pistol - it does not matter how many shots it fires.They shoot most accuretly if the clearance is .003 or less. That's a pretty snug fit and can be pretty hard to load in a fouled bore. The original Minie' bullet to bore fit could be all over the map and it was usually rather loose so accuracy suffered and for the most part the military didn't care.You can find the bench design online or in Chris Schwarz's book "Workbenches". Look up "Roubo" bench online. The metal vises are from Woodcraft I believe. They cost about $90 at the time (10 years ago). The rotating jaws are very useful. The leg vises on the bench are very handy and have tremendous holding power.169. Location. England. Jul 25, 2023. #1. This is a project I began way back in the 1960's I had bought a flintlock pistol and had a go at repairing it's broken sear spring. I then made a replica lock. I used to go to the Science and industry museum in Birmingham (UK) and they had a display of guns from the proof house collection, there were ...Location. St. Louis, MO. Feb 20, 2022. #3. As far as being a turkey gun, the 56 caliber smooth bore can be loaded up to be an effective turkey gun and it will be effective for all the other game you mentioned. There are lots of threads on the Forum extolling the effectiveness of the 56 caliber smoothbore. It's an effective 28 gauge.Hey guys, I tested out a new load for the traditions .54 blunderbuss based on someone's .54 smoothbore hunting load in another thread. I used 60 grains hodgon's triple 7 3f granulation( I don't want to hear it about not using real BP).54 wool wad over powder 80 grains of shot(#6) and a wad over shot At 20 yards the pattern had 30 average hits into what I consider the kill zone.7,789. Nov 21, 2023. #1. Any other subscribers to Muzzleloader magazine that haven't gotten the Nov/Dec issue yet? I know various things may delay production of a specialty magazine, but just wondered as it's getting to the end of Nov. soon. My local newsstand still has the Sep/Oct issue on display, also.I am in the process of making my own stain for curly maple using nitric acid and distilled water in a 5/1 solution. Going to split it up and try adding iron from different sources and see how it work out. My intention is to have one batch with wrought Iron added, another with some 1095 steel I have, and the last batch be a basic acid/water mix.The first of which was retired on 16 June, while the last will head to retirement this month. Qantas plans to retire the last of its two Boeing 747s this month. As first reported b...Need a voiceover studio in Canada? Read reviews & compare projects by leading voiceover services. Find a company today! Development Most Popular Emerging Tech Development Languages...Dear Lifehacker,May 4, 2023. #4. Most of mine are displayed, but are also secured. There is a step or two to get most of the displayed guns off of the racks. The more modern stuff is either secured or strategically placed. Very rarely is nobody home. And the rare occasions everyone is gone, it still looks like someone is there.Investarms Hawkens are great rifles, well built and accurate. My first muzzleloader ever (bought in 1977) was a Charles Daly (Investarms) .54 Hawken, still have it, still shoots great. Added several more since then, never have had a problem or breakage. Not authentic to any original design, but super guns for the money.5,750. Reaction score. 8,562. Location. Tyrone , Pa. 16686. Apr 20, 2024. #7. Also , any time you fire one barrel , uncap the unfired one , and run the ramrod down on the remaining loaded barrel to make sure the load is still where you left it , when you last loaded it. This is a safety check many forget.My small tree critters have always been dropped with a .32 or .36, and they excel on small game. With a .40 all shots need to be at the head/neck area even with very light loads. Mid-body hits might be okay, you'll just have to see. Test the loads at 25 yards, that's the average range for shots in the squirrel woods.This is the best feeling | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the ... Join the online community of muzzleloader enthusiasts and share your experiences, tips, questions and photos. Browse the latest posts on topics such as wet weather tips, bullet stability, flintlocks, percussion caps, and more. Dec 28, 2023. #9. Your very best option is rifle shop and someone who knows how to assemble it. Perdisoli is great but less then correct. A loyalist arms bess from India will spark as well as my custum lock, at least mine does. They offer more models and are as close to original as Perdisoli. The wood is not walnut.Tyrone , Pa. 16686. Apr 6, 2024. #13,588. Sorta good news for a friend today. Been trying to clean the rust out of his neglected Spanish made longrifle barrel. Started soaking , and polishing , and soaking and polishing the bore w/ 00 steel wool on a bronze bore brush using Clenzoil penetrating oil spray.This post is trying to show anyone interested in one method to drill and tap for a TH. If you don't have a drill press and try to tap free hand it could get real ugly. The TH needs to be counter sunk flush with the filed on/in barrel flat. Don't think a newbie can make that happen free hand. JMO.The Gun Builder's Bench | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the ...It's a "54" Sharps and back in the 1970s we used the Rapine "Christmas tree" bullet mold. The lands are "52", the grooves are "54" and is a "56" caliber rim with a smaller base to tie your cartridge to. The "56" caliber base rim centered the cartridge and supplies the back pressure to seal the action. Eras Gone has 2 different period molds that ...Phoenix, AZ. Jan 13, 2017. #14. His experiance with Remington's binding up because of fouling could be due to his shooting a replica of a Remington Beal's. This model of the 1858 was the first version and it was very poor at scraping the powder fouling off of the face of the cylinder.Soak a couple of cotton floor mop strands in a potassium nitrate solution (black powder will work). Clamp one in the cocked jaws of your flintlock cock, light the end of it, and open the frizzen to expose your priming powder. Pull the trigger. Satisfaction guaranteed, and you just took off another 100 years!The short barrel like 20 or 22 inches is cute but has lots of short comings in muzzle loaders. The old timers sorted out how long a barrel needed to be and as powder got better the barrel got shorter. Looking at late guns and into the black powder cartridge rifles 30-32 inches became the normal length for full sized rifles.Anyway, the common ramrods of the 18th c. civilian guns would be a tapered wood rod with or without a sheet iron tip on the entry end and a wide front end of bare wood to seat the load. Preferably concaved a tad bit for a ball if wanted. Ideally, the steel tip should not have contact with the bore walls anyway.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.2,427. Location. Federal Way Washington. Nov 23, 2022. #1. Thompson Center traditional muzzleloaders, arguably the best production blackpowder guns ever made. That ought to get some blood boiling.Nov 25, 2019 · Oct 18, 2020. #1. Yesterday I was fortunate enough to kill a nice buck with my .54 flintlock using a .530 round ball with a .018 patch over 80 grains of Swiss FFG at about 60 yards.. Although I posted the fact I was blessed with success, I neglected to comment on the sheer power displayed by the round ball I shot. Heading to the hills like a modern day mountain man. 1; 2; 3 … Go to pageFriends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Muzzleloading Sponsor Directory | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all ...Phoenix, AZ. Jan 13, 2017. #14. His experiance with Remington's binding up because of fouling could be due to his shooting a replica of a Remington Beal's. This model of the 1858 was the first version and it was very poor at scraping the powder fouling off of the face of the cylinder.South Coast Mississippi. Jan 8, 2020. #4. tenngun said: Just got a GR .45 barrel 7/8 x 42 1-66 twist. If'n you own this barrel where have you found your best loads. I expect to have it ready for smoke around 1 February. I built a rifle with that exact barrel. I normally shoot 52 grains of FFF and a .445 ball for a target load.Messages. 147. Reaction score. 80. Feb 29, 2024. #1. I have two Uberti 1862 Police replicas. One has the Serial # A41989. The other is V02238.So here goes---Hawkens 45 and 50 are 15/16. Hawkens 54 and larger 1 inch. Seneca 36 and 45 are 13/16. Renegades are 1 inch. But here is the real difference between the Hawken and the Seneca, the Seneca is a completely scaled down version of the Hawken. It looks tiny compared to a Hawken.179. Location. Texas. May 8, 2020. #1. These precision made tools are the preferred way to cone the muzzles of roundball guns either rifled or smoothbore. Greatly eases starting the ball and the long cone allows the ball to be gently swaged into the bore without damage. I believe accuracy is unchanged.Apr 21, 2024 ... Help Support Muzzleloading Forum: This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others ...It is probably fair to say that most of the #AHA19 attendees know that cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death in their respective country. We’ve heard this fact repea...Dec 9, 2023. #9. A little perspective here - a junker can go for a hundred bucks. Someone recently sold the frame for $75. I bought a ten year old Pietta 1860 44 that needed a lot of help but looked ok for $100. So getting a nicely done Uberti for $130 is a helluva deal. and.Hex cap screws are noted for the extra torque they provide. Learn what the dash marks on their heads mean in this article. Advertisement Screws and bolts come in a wide range of he...Dec 8, 2018. #1. I am relatively new to ML. With the older eyes I changed the iron sights on the Lyman Great Plains rifle to the Lyman fiber optic sights. The rear hi vis green are ok but the front red is no better than the old iron sight. Was wondering if possible to take out the red fiber optic rod and replace with a green hi vis rod piece.The patent breech in percussion guns is safer and easier to clean. Drum and nipple breeches are manure from several perspectives. Most modern patent breeches on the factory made guns are designed to be cheap to make and install. I believe the Nock antechamber breech gives better velocity but experience is limited.Apr 30, 2018 · Mar 1, 2024. AZ Muzzleloaders posted the thread FOR SALE 54 Caliber Custom Hawken. Built from TOTW Parts Set, Curly Maple in Firearms For Sale/Trade/Wanted . Built about 1986 from a Track of the Wolf parts set. Barrel measures 32 1/4" x 1" (actual 0.985"), 1:66 rate of twist.
I like the fact that they have a hole cross drilled horizontally in the area where the cap sits. These hole direct the blow back gases outward and help split the cap for easy removal. My other choice of nipples would be the Knight "Red Hot". Both nipples come in sizes to fit your rifles. Best of luck.. Nude pictures of courtney stodden
Hang on (or don't) for dear life! Join our newsletter for exclusive features, tips, giveaways! Follow us on social media. We use cookies for analytics tracking and advertising from...Jul 23, 2023. #5. I have a Pedersoli Kentucky in .50cal with both the flint lock and percussion lock. Though a nicely made rifle and straight shooter it is defiantly my most disliked Muzzleloading rifle due to the heavy trigger and rather poor preforming lock. I would not buy another single trigger only, though would if it had the double set ...Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.The Meat Counter. Sep 5, 2023. #3. Take a DIY store 3/4" chamfering tool, hold it your hand and rotate it back and forth to cut a small chamfer. All you need to do is break the edge a bit. Just do it evenly. Sandpaper and bluing optional. Last edited: Sep 5, 2023. W.May 14, 2014. #12. The Italian guns are, in general, very good quality; more-so than the Spanish creations. The barrels, though, on both are as about as good as they get on a factory gun. The weak link seems to be the flint locks they come with (both makers). they are mostly good/very good but are often very, very bad.Apr 8, 2024. #13,627. helped my BIL uncrate his woods runner from Kibler that has sat in his living room for 4 days . then he watched 3 hours of Jim assembling, and finishing through to the scraping. BIL was exhausted from all the work Jim did so put screws back into the crate and set the rifle in the shop to acclimate.We thought that PPDG was dead as a bonus category with the end of 5X Ultimate Rewards earning. But there is still one bonus option left. Increased Offer! Hilton No Annual Fee 70K +...The short barrel like 20 or 22 inches is cute but has lots of short comings in muzzle loaders. The old timers sorted out how long a barrel needed to be and as powder got better the barrel got shorter. Looking at late guns and into the black powder cartridge rifles 30-32 inches became the normal length for full sized rifles.It is way easier than most folks that haven't pulled a load before realize to pull a load with a ball puller, especially on a clean barrel. If you don't already have one, get one with the brass ring that keeps the screw centered in the barrel. Screw it in and pull it. It will come out easy if the barrel was clean when it was loaded. Flintlock Rifles | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account perks ... A bullet such as this will expand the due to obturation during firing and will imbed itself into the rifling grooves. The current muzzleloaders on the market with twist rates of 1:48 up thru 1:66 (inches) are designed for cloth patched round balls. They have rifling grooves which are .007 inch to .010 inch deep.11,710. Location. St. Louis, MO. Jul 5, 2023. #3. What John Gemmer built was based on the architecture of the S. Hawken Plains and California rifles of the late 1860's. Using the S. Hawken plans as a guide to the parts you will have in the Investarms Gemmer kit is a good basis. I have seen one Gemmer Rifle..
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